08-10-2011, 12:53 #161
BTW Skopjie is a city not a country, so calling them all skopjiani is like them calling you Canberran even though you might be from Sydney or Melbourne.
And that video you posted doesnt look very intimidating, it's basically some kids and grannies with some flags. But if you look a little bit deeper on youtube you might find other videos, of what Greeks do to immigrants in Greece. And I'm not talking about illegal immigrants only, just anybody who looks dark. You can take your time and pick from this list of videos:
or you can just take my word, if you think you did it tough growing up in Australia trust me you wouldnt want to be an immigrant growing up in Athens. Wouldnt wish it on your worst enemy.
Lastly calling Australians "generally racist" is a massive stretch. Should I remind you that the current prime minister is an immigrant herself? Who came here with her redneck accent and her non religious beliefs, started from scratch and made it all the way to the top? Surely a racist nation wouldn't allow that to happen. Oh yes I forgot, she's anglo, she's from Wales, and we all know there is an international conspiracy between Australians and Welsh to help eachother. Ok, take John So then, a chinese teacher from Hong Kong and lord mayor of Melbourne, elected twice by the people. Another conspiracy? Dunno maybe the whole world is conspiring against Greeks only. But just for a minute, can you try and imagine an Albanian immigrant making it to PM in Greece? Not in a million years mate, not in a million years.
BTW I got my australian citizenship last year. A chinese family next to me came to the ceremony to be sworn aussie citizens in their red tshirts with a nice chinese flag on them. Nobody batted an eyelid. The mayor of Kingston, a Greek guy, was talking on behalf of the state and said it is precisely this kind of multiculturism that makes this country rich, and urged us to keep our language and traditions alive even though we are now Australian citizens. Not too bad for a spokesman of a "generally racist" state.
Just honestly, how would you feel tomorrow if your kids choose to hang out with aboriginals?
Make love to them?
Not good huh...
I'm sorry about your bad experience in Greece, being taken advantage of etc. Truth be told, you are an outsider over there. And Greeks generally dont like outsiders or immigrants, Greeks tend to stick together and form tight communities like you mentioned. Maybe one who doesnt know them very well could go as far as to call them "generally racist". I understand your Greek is a bit rusty but if you lived over there you would know that Greeks use the words "gypsie" and "albanian" (Γύφτος και Αλβανός) as swearwords, as synonyms of bogan. You wouldnt want to be any of these two things growing up in Greece, life can be a bit tough.
I'm Greek, I grew up in Greece. I got called a number of things at school, I got spat on and beaten up, and I did the same to other kids.
We always found something to pick on eachother, it's just what we did as kids.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το χρήστη Poltergeist : 08-10-2011 στις 13:10
08-10-2011, 13:24 #162
08-10-2011, 13:30 #163
Θα της έβγαζα τα μαλλιά τρίχα τρίχα, θα την έβαζα να πει σαρανταέξι πατερημά, να πάει γονατιστή στην παναγία τη Σουμελά (ξεκινώντας από αυστραλία κολυμπώντας) και μετά θα την αποκλήρωνα. Τί να έκανα ρε Χάτζι, λες και θα με ρωτήσει;
08-10-2011, 13:40 #164
08-10-2011, 17:13 #165
- Sep 2011
As I previously stated Australia has changed very much in the last 15 years. Prior to this time there were very few asians, indians & mousoulmani. Yes a chinese immigrant is mayor of Melbourne. Walk around Melbourne & it is completely multicultural. This is not the case everywhere in Australia though. This was also not the case up until the mid 1990's.Yes, Julia Gillard is from Whales, but in Australia, if you are from Whales, Ireland, Scotland or England, then it is virtually the same thing. Her name is Gillard, not Gillardopoulos. I am trying to point out that racism still exists, but it is not as obvious. One day it will happen to you, it is just a matter of time. Believe me, many Greeks have been passed over for promotions etc, because of their ethnicity. Were you living in Australia in the 80's & 90's? If not then you are in no position to comment. I am talking about Australia, not what the Greeks are doing to immigrants in Greece or how the immigrants are treated in Greece.
We Greeks are viewed with a kalitero mati now, because the anglo's prefer us rather than the immigrants coming in now. Growing up, we were careful not to speak Greek in public where an anglo could hear us, whereas now you hear any language you want in the streets, depending of course which suburb you are in. It doesn't mean racism doesn't exist it, it is harder for bullying to occur now against ethnics as there are so many ethnics now in Australia.
With regards to the mavroi, the implication I made is that the Greeks took any "low" job, just like the mavroi could only get the "low" jobs. I feel for the aboriginals of Australia, they were almost completely wiped off their own land by the English & have never recovered.
I don't know why you feel the need to attack me. I pretty much just requested that you don't call skopjiani as Macedonians, give you advice that you need to be careful when dealing with Anglo Australians, as to your face they will be your best friend but will likely view you as beneath them, & gave you an insight into why the Greek Australians view Greeks from Greece suspiciously. From these me evgales a racist & virtually a liar as if I made things up, & because I support Greek intersets in Australia, a nazi lover. Are we not on the same team?
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το χρήστη australian : 08-10-2011 στις 17:29
08-10-2011, 17:20 #166
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το χρήστη australian : 08-10-2011 στις 17:58
08-10-2011, 17:41 #167
- Sep 2011
In December 2005 in Sydney at a famous beach called Cronulla, which we regularly went to for a swim & for fun, was" leb & wog bashing day" by the Anglo Australians. If you looked like an ethnic you were lucky to get out alive. For the next couple of weeks the streets of all Sydney were very quiet as Lebanese Australians & anglos were retaliating with each other. It was bad. It was safer staying indoors.
Skopjiani & Greeks at the football (Melbourne)
Not all clashes are recorded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iMJk...eature=related (top news story, footage has been purposely manipulated)
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το χρήστη australian : 08-10-2011 στις 18:33
09-10-2011, 05:49 #168
Ok if thats the educated thing to do I'll call you Canberra. Let me know if you prefer Hobart
Stay away from bogans, you'll be fine.
edit: Hey man don't take it personally, I'm just pulling your leg
(sorry if I came across as bit of a dick)
It's an interesting discussion and I think I know where our disagreement lies. I'm a bit busy right now (about to make galaktoboureko :D )but stay tuned, I'll expain myself a bit better later.
Name's Spyro by the way.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το χρήστη Poltergeist : 09-10-2011 στις 10:30
09-10-2011, 15:31 #169
man that galaktoboureko rocks
So Nektar here's what I think are our 2 key differences
1 you think Australia is racist, I dont. I think it's actually one of the least racist places in the world, up there with Scandinavia and Canada. Sure there are drunken bogans and soccer crowds with nothing better to do than pick a fight about something on the other side of the planet that they are actually clueless about. But these types exist in every country and are easy to avoid. Hell just rock up in Thessaloniki wearing an Athens team scarf and you'll be lucky if you can speak to tell the doctor what happened to you. Re people getting passed up on promotions because of race I just dont buy it. I currently work for a 30,000 employee coy and I get mandatory training twice a year to respect cultural diversity, it's actually on my friggin performance appraisal. Before that because I used to be a consultant and been around many workplaces I've seen countless mid/upper management people on >$100k pa who were born in India, Greece, Pakistan, Lebanon. They could get the job done so they got the job. Nothing personal, just business.
2 You think it's important for us to know that Australia used to be more racist 30 years ago and that some people or communities may be still be racist. I dont. You might think you are protecting me, but I think you're giving us baggage we dont need and a massive chip on our shoulder (remember there are people reading this forum who dont know australia from a bar of soap). I dont really care if some people are racist, and I couldnt care less if they like me or not, as long as they keep it to themselves. And they do, because the state has laws that make sure they do and the society stands behind the state, and those who dont like these laws achieve nothing but get themselves in trouble.
I'll give you this though: it is true I havent lived long term outside of Melbourne, which is probably the most multi-culti oz city. I dont know if I'd feel the same living in a northern tiny-ville or west sydney, although I've met people from such places and they were absolutely lovely. It'd be interesting to see what other people on this forum who went to such places have to say. But I doubt if anyone is reading this.
09-10-2011, 16:01 #170
- Nov 2010
Το "man that galaktoboureko rocks" τι σημαίνει? Ότι έγινε πολύ καλό ή το έκαψες και έγινε σαν πέτρα?
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